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Дефицит переведённых на русский книг очевиден, не переведена например 10 песня Бхагаватам, такой фундаментальный текст как Брихад Бхагаватамрита, самая вайшнавская из упанишад Гопала Тапани Упанишада. Релизёры готовы тратить своё время и силы уже, так почему бы нам не занятся коллективным переводом книг с английского? Английским в наше время владеют очень многие. Делим книгу на части по числу участников проекта и переводим, советуемся, правим, редактируем вместе. Потом можно это отдать интеллектуалу брахману отредактировать и даже саньяси прокомментировать, ну и естественно сделать раздачу. Предлагаю начать с Гопала Тапани Упанишады. Она есть в сети в двух переводах. Самый распространённый перевод Кушакрата Даса. Вот он:

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Sri Gopala-Tapani Upanishad
(with the commentaries of Baladeva Vidyabhushana and Vishvanatha Chakravarti)
[ Translated by Kusakratha Dasa ]
Chapter One
Text 1
Om namah. I offer my respectful obeisances to Sri Krishna, whose form is eternal and full of knowledge
and bliss, who is the rescuer from distress, who is understood by Vedanta, who is the supreme spiritual
master, and who is the witness in everyone's heart.
Commentary by Srila Vishvanatha Chakravarti:
I glorify the Gopala-tapani Upanisad. showering the nectar of the Supreme Lord's spiritual form, it delights the
devotees.
I offer my respectful obeisances unto the Gopala-tapani Upanisad, which is part of the Atharva Veda, and which
describes the transcendental form and pastimes of Lord Krishna.
I offer my respectful obeisances to Lord Krishna, whom the Sama Upanishad and Srimad-Bhagavatam proclaim
the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
The name of Krishna refers to the Supreme Personality of Godhead, whose spiritual form is eternal and full of
knowledge and bliss. This is confirmed in the following verse of Mahabharata:
"The word krs is the attractive feature of the Lord's existence, and na means spiritual pleasure. when the verb krs
is added to affix na, it becomes "Krishna", which indicates the Absolute Truth."
The name Krishna may also be interpreted to mean the perfection of transcendental knowledge and bliss.
Lord Krishna's mercy is described in the word "aklita-karine", which means that the Lord rescues the living
entities from the five-fold miseries of material existence, and also that the Lord is so kind that He even liberated
those demons fortunate enough to be personally killed by Him.
The word "vedanta-vedyaya" means that Lord Krishna may be understood only by following the instructions of
the Vedas, which lead the follower to liberation. Other so-called spiritual paths will not help one become
liberated.
The word "gurave" means that the Lord becomes the teacher who enlightens His devotees. The Lord does this by
appearing as the Supersoul (buddhi-saksine) in everyone's heart.
This is confirmed in the following verses from the Vedic literatures:
"Become My devotee, accept Me as your spiritual master, come to Me and worship Me."
"Appearing as the spiritual master in the heart, the Supreme Personality of Godhead reveals the path of spiritual
enlightenment." (Srimad-Bhagavatam)
"To those who are constantly devoted and worship Me with love, I give the understanding by which they may
come to Me." (Bhagavad-gita 10.11)
Commentary by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhushana:
May our heart eternally rest on Govinda, who is full of bliss, the master of unlimited inconceivable
transcendental potencies, the witness of everything, the expert protector of the devotees, and the creator of the
material world.
Appearing in this word with Sri Sanatana Gosvami and Srila Rupa Gosvami, and bringing great tidal waves to
the ocean of transcendental bliss, may the wonderful and splendid rising moon of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu
dispel the darkness within our hearts.
I glorify the Gopala-tapani Upanisad, which to the pious reveals Lord Krishna, the original Personality of
Godhead, the Supersoul near to all moving and unmoving creatures.
The name "Krishna" is used to describe the Personality of Godhead because His complexion is like a dark atasi
flower. This is confirmed in the following verse from the Narayaniya, where the Lord Himself says:
"O Arjuna, because My complexion is blackish, I am known as Krishna."
Text 2
Om. Some sages said to the demigod Brahma: "Who is the Supreme Personality of Godhead? Whom does
death fear? By knowing whom does everything else become known? Who created this world.
Commentary by Srila Vishvanatha Chakravarti:
The sages here are the Four Kumaras. They phrased their questions in such a way as to elicit the eighteensyllable
Gayatri mantra as their father's reply.
Commentary by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhushana:
The syllable om is used here, as it is generally used in the Vedic hymns, to invoke auspiciousness.
The Kumara's first question is "Who is the supremely opulent and worshipable Personality of Godhead, than
whom no one is greater or equal?" The subsequent questions all relate to the qualities of the Supreme Person.
Text 3
Brahma replied to them: "Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Death fears Govinda. By
understanding Gopijanavallabha everything becomes known. By pronouncing the word "svaha" the
Personality of Godhead created the world.
Commentary by Srila Vishvanatha Chakravarti:
The statement that death fears Govinda means that Krishna rescues the living entities from the hands of death.
The name Gopijanavallabha means "Krishna, who is very dear to the gopis." By knowing Him, the entire
spiritual and material world becomes known. The process of understanding Him is described by Lord
Gopijanavallabha Himself in the Bhagavad-gita (18.56):
"The Supreme Personality of Godhead can be understood only by devotional service."
Commentary by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhushana:
By answering the Kumaras' question in this way, Brahma initiated them in the chanting of the eighteen-syllable
Gayatri mantra.
Text 4
They then said: "Who is Krishna? Who is Govinda? Who is Gopijanavallabha? What is Svaha?"
Commentary by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhushana:
The sages asked these questions to elicit from Brahma a more elaborate description of Lord Krishna's qualities.
Text 5
To them Brahma said: "Krishna means He who delivers from sin, Govinda means He who is famous on
the earth, in the Vedas, and among the surabhi cows, Gopijanavallabha means He who enchants the gopis,
and Svaha means the potency of the Supreme. All these names refer to the Supreme Personality of
Godhead.
Commentary by Srila Vishvanatha Chakravarti:
The name papa-karsana may also be interpreted to mean:
1) He whose transcendental pastimes attract the minds of even the sinful conditioned souls, or 2) The merciful
Supreme Person who liberated Putana, Agha, Kesi and many other demons killed by Him.
The name Govinda means the Supreme Lord who is famous to the Surabhi cows of Vraja. He is glorified in the
verses of the Vedas, and He is famous on the earth because He removed the burden of demoniac kings.
Govinda also means He who protects the cows, land and Vedas. Lord Govinda is the Supreme protector, who
rescues the living entities from the hands of death. Gopijanavallabha means He who enchants the gopis, who are
all manifestations of His hladini potency. Then Lord enchants them with the sweetness His handsomeness and
other transcendental qualities, removes their materialism, and grants them ecstatic love for Him. In this way He
has become very dear (vallabha) to them.
The name svaha means the Lord's potency by which everything is manifested.
Commentary by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhushana:
The following explanation of the name Krishna is found in the Vedic literatures:
"For they who chant the auspicious holy name of Krishna, millions of grievous sinful reactions become
immediately burned to ashes."
"One who chants "K¥¢£a K¥¢£a K¥¢£a" at the time of death becomes eligible for liberation."
In the name Gopijanavallabha the gopis are expansions of the Lord's internal potency. This is confirmed in the
following verses:
"I worship the Personality of Godhead, Govinda, who, by expansion of His internal potency of transcendental
existence, knowledge and bliss, enjoys in His own and expanded forms.
"The gopis are expansions of My own internal potency."
The Lord is glorious in the gopi's association. This is described in Srimad-Bhagavatam (10.33.7):
"Lord Krishna appeared very glorious in the association of the gopis."
The sruti describes the Lord as the master of transcendental potencies (Svaha):
"The sages say that Lord Visnu, is the master of all transcendental potencies."
Text 6
One who meditates on this Supreme Personality of Godhead, glorifies Him, and worships Him, becomes
liberated. He becomes liberated.
Commentary by Srila Vishvanatha Chakravarti:
Liberation means freedom from the cycle of birth and death and eternal association with Lord Krishna.
Commentary by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhushana:
In this text the goal of life is described: By meditating on, glorifying and worshipping Lord Krishna, one
becomes liberated.
Text 7
They said: What is His form? what is His glorification? How does one worship Him? Please describe this
to us
Texts 8 and 9
Brahma said: He appears like a cowherd boy. His complexion is like a monsoon cloud. He stays under a
desire-tree. The following verses describe Him.
Text 10(a)
Meditating with all his heart on Lord K¥¢£a, whose eyes are handsome lotus flowers, whose complexion is
a monsoon cloud, whose garments are lightning, who has two arms, who is rich in transcendental
knowledge, who wears a garland of forest flowers, who is the supreme controller, who is surrounded by
gopas, gopis, and surabhi cows, who rests under a sura-druma tree, who is decorated with splendid
ornaments, who stands in the middle of a red lotus flower, and who is served by breezes that have touched
the Yamuna's waves, a person becomes free from repeated birth and death.
Text 11
This mantra should be repeatedly chanted:
"klim krishnaya govindaya gopijanavallabhaya svaha".
Text 12
By chanting these five names one attains the Supreme Personality of Godhead, whose potencies are
manifested as the heavenly planets, the earth, sun, moon, and fire.
Text 13
A person who even once chants the mantra "Klim krsnaya govindaya gopijanavallabha svaha" quickly
attains the association of Lord Krishna. He does not attain any other result.
Text 14
Devotional service to Lord Krishna is performed when the heart no longer desires any material benefit to
be obtained in this life or the next. This is freedom from the bonds of karma.
Commentary by Srila Vishvanatha Chakravarti:
Devotional service to K¥¢£a and liberation are actually synonymous, this is confirmed in the Padma Purana:
"Pure devotional service to Lord Hari is actual liberation."
Commentary by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhushana:
Bhakti means engaging the senses in the service of Lord Krishna. This is confirmed in the Narada Pancharatra in
the following words:
"One should be free from all material designations, and cleansed of all material contamination. He should be
restored to his pure identity, in which he engages his senses in the service of the proprietor of the senses. This is
called devotional service.
The activities of bhakti are listed in the following way: 1. hearing the Lord's glories, 2. reciting the Lord's
glories, 3. remembering the Lord constantly, 4. serving the lotus feet of the Lord, 5. worshipping the Lord, 6.
chanting prayers to the Lord, 7. carrying out the orders of the Lord, 8. making friends with the Lord, and 9.
surrendering everything to the Lord.
As a result of engaging in Lord Krishna's service, one develops intense ecstatic love for Him. This is described
in the Eleventh Canto of Srimad-Bhagavatam.
"As one becomes advanced in devotional service to the Lord, he becomes ecstatic. The hairs of his body stand on
end, and he manifests ecstatic symptoms."
Text 15
Many brahmanas worship Krishna. Many worship eternal Govinda. Gopijanavallabha maintains the
worlds. Powerful Svaha moves the universe.
Commentary by Srila Vishvanatha Chakravarti:
Many brahmanas, following the path of the sastras, worship Krishna. Many others, following of the path of
spontaneous love as the residents of Gokula followed it, worship Lord Govinda, the hero of Gokula.
Text 16
Although originally one, air becomes the five life-airs in the bodies of all living entities. In the same way,
for the benefit of the world Lord Krishna appears as these five words.
Text 17
They said: Please describe the worship of Govinda, the Supersoul, who maintains everything.
Text 18
Brahma said: The Lord's altar should be a golden lotus with eight petals. Within that lotus should be
placed two triangles and the mantra klim krsnaya namah, the Kama-gayatri (klim krsnaya govindaya
gopijanavallabhaya svaha), and the ananga-gayatri (kamadevaya sarva-jana-priyaya sarva-janasammohanaya
jvala jvala prajvala prajvala sarva-janasya hrdayam me vasam kuru kuru svaha) should
be written there. then anga should be offered with the sula-matra (astraya phat). Then one should worship
the Lord's expansions, beginning with Rukmini, the devotees headed by Indra, the devotees headed by
King читайте правила - пункт 2.8, the devotees headed by Arjuna, and the devotees headed by Indranidhi.
Commentary by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhushana:
This is described in the Padma Purana:
"O Narada, placing the Lord on His altar, I worship Him with prayers, incense ,lamps, arghya and other gifts."
Text 19
He who at sunrise, noon and sunset, makes various offerings to the Deity, obtains everything. He obtains
everything.
Text 20
In this matter there are the following verses: Lord Krishna is the worshipable, all-pervading supreme
controller, and although He is one, He manifests in many forms. They who are intelligent worship Him as
He stands on His altar. They, and not others, attain eternal happiness.
Commentary by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhushana:
That Krishna is the original Personality of Godhead is confirmed in the Srimad-Bhagavatam (1.3.28): "Krishna
is the original Personality of Godhead."
Text 21
The brahmanas, who worship, as He stands on His altar, the one greatest among the eternals and greatest
among conscious persons, the one who fulfils the desires of the many, they, and not others, attain
perfection.
Text 22
To they who always diligently worship Lord Visnu's transcendental form, the Lord, in His original form
as a cowherd boy, shows His lotus feet.
Commentary by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhushana:
This is confirmed in Vedanta-sutra:
"The Personality of Godhead reveals Himself to His pure devotees."
Text 23
It was Krishna who in the beginning instructed Brahma in Vedic knowledge and who disseminated Vedic
knowledge in the past. They who desire liberation surrender to Him, the Supreme Personality of
Godhead, who grants transcendental knowledge to His devotees.
Text 24
To they who chant the five-word mantra with om and govinda (om krsnaya govindaya gopijanavallabha
svaha) the Lord reveals His own form. Therefore, to attain transcendental peace, they who desire
liberation should regularly chant this mantra.
Text 25
From this five-word mantra have come all other govinda-mantras in human society, including the tensyllable
govinda-mantra chanted by Indra's followers and by they who desire opulences.
Commentary by Srila Vishvanatha Chakravarti:
The persons desiring opulence in this verse are the four Kumaras' followers, who desire liberation, and Narada's
followers, who desire pure devotional service.
Text 26
They asked: Please tell us the nature of this mantra
Text 27 and 28
Brahma said: I continually glorified the Lord and meditated upon Him for millions of years, and at last I
was able to understand the transcendental form of the Lord as Sri Krishna, in the dress of a cowherd boy.
With devotion in my heart I bowed down before Him. He gave me the eighteen-syllable mantra to be used
for the activity of creation, and then He disappeared.
Text 29
When I desired to create the universe He again appeared before me, showing me in these syllables the
universe that was to be.
Text 30
From the letter k, I created water, from the letter l, earth, from the letter i, fire, from the letter m, the
moon, and from the entire word klim, the sun. From the word krsnaya, I created ether, from govindaya,
air, from gopijanavallabha, knowledge and the surabhi cows, and from svaha, men, women, and
everything else. Everything else.
Text 31
By worshipping Him, Shiva became free from illusion, and by chanting this mantra in a solitary place, he
attained the Lord.
Text 32
the demigods gaze at Visnu's abode, which is like a splendid sun in the sky.
Text 33
Therefore one should regularly chant this mantra. One should regularly chant this mantra.
Text 34
Some have said that from the first word of this mantra earth was created, from the second word water,
from the third fire, from the fourth air, and from the fifth ether. To attain liberation one should chant this
five-word Vaishnava mantra, which reveals Lord Krishna.
Text 35
About this are the following verses: One should chant this mantra, of which from the first word the
element earth came, from the second word water, from the third fire, from the fourth air, and from the
fifth ether.
Text 36
By chanting this mantra Shiva entered Lord Visnu's eternal spiritual abode.
Text 37
That spiritual world, completely pure, uncontaminated, free from suffering, free from greed and all other
vices, and identical with this five-word mantra, is manifested from Lord читайте правила - пункт 2.8. It is not separate from
Him.
Text 38
With eloquent prayers I and the Maruts please Lord Govinda, whose form is eternal and full of
knowledge and bliss, who stays under a desire tree in Vrndavana, and who is this five-word mantra.
Text 39
Om namah. To Lord Govinda, who is the form of the universe, the creator. maintainer, and destroyer of
the universe, the master of the universe, and the universe itself. I offer my respectful obeisances.
Text 40
Obeisances to Lord Govinda, whose form is full of knowledge, whose form is full of supreme bliss, who is
all-attractive, and who is the master of the gopis.
Text 41
Obeisances to Him, His eyes lotus flowers. Obeisances to Him, garlanded with lotuses. Obeisances to Him,
His navel a lotus. Obeisances to Him, the husband of the goddesses of fortune.
Commentary by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhushana:
The goddesses of fortune here are the gopis. This is described in verses 29 and 56 of the Brahma-samhita:
"Lord Govinda is served with great reverence by hundreds and thousands of gopis."
"The damsels of Vrndavana, the gopis, are super goddesses of fortune."
Text 42
Obeisances to Lord Govinda, handsome with a peacock-feather crown, identical with Balarama, His
intelligence sharp, and He the swan in the Manasa lake of the goddess of fortune's thoughts.
Commentary by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhushana:
The goddess of fortune here is Srimati Radharani, who is described in the Purusa-bodhini Upanisad.
"Candravali and Radhika always remain at Lord Krishna's side. Laksmi, Durga, and the Lord's other potencies
are expansions of Sri Radhika."
The Gautamiya Tantra also explains:
The transcendental goddess Srimati Radharani is the direct counterpart of Lord Sri Krishna. She is the central
figure for the goddess of fortune. She possesses all the attractiveness to attract the all-attractive Personality of
Godhead. She is the primeval internal potency of the Lord.
Text 43
Obeisances to Him, the death of Kamsa and his allies, the killer of Kesi and Canura, the object of worship
for Siva, and the chariot-driver of Arjuna.
Text 44
Obeisances to Him, the cowherd boy fond of playing the flute, the crusher of Kaliya, the person who walks
on the Yamuna's shore and whose earrings gracefully swing to and fro.
Text 45
Obeisances to Sri Krishna, the protector of the surrendered souls. Obeisances to Him, the expert dancer
garlanded with the gopi's lotus glances.
Text 46
Obeisances to Him, the death of sin, the lifter of Govardhana Hill, the end of Putana's life, the thief of
Trnavarta's life.
Text 47
Obeisances to Sri Krishna, decorated with a golden necklace, charming, pure, the enemy of impurity, one
without a second, the greatest.
Commentary by Srila Vishvanatha Chakravarti:
The Word niskalaya may also mean "He who is beyond the influence of material illusion" and the word
vimohaya may be interpreted to mean "He who is omniscient and cannot be put into illusion even by Brahma or
Siva". The word "asuddhi-vairine" may be interpreted to mean "He who removes material impurities from the
hearts of those attached to hearing and chanting His glories."
Text 48
Be kind, O blissful one. Be kind, O Supreme Lord. O Lord, please rescue me, bitten by the snake of
physical and mental pain.
Commentary by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhushana:
Vyadhi, or physical pain, inevitably comes when one fulfils his material desires. when material desires remain
unfulfilled, however, the conditioned soul experiences mental pain, or adhi. Either condition is inauspicious for
the conditioned soul.
Text 49
O Krishna, O husband of Rukmini, O enchanter of the gopis, O master of the universe, please rescue me,
drowning in the ocean of repeated birth and death.
Text 50
O Kesava, O Narayana, O Govinda, O Janardana, O source of all transcendental bliss, O Lord who
rescues the devotees from distress, O Madhava, please rescue me.
Commentary by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhushana:
In the Hari-vamsa, Lord Shiva explains the meaning of the name Kesava:
"Both Brahma (ka) and I (isa), the master of all living entities, were born from You, and for this reason, O Lord,
You are known as Kesava."
Text 51
Brahma said: As I worship Him, so should you. Chanting this five-word mantra, and meditating on Lord
Krishna, you will transcend the world of birth and death.
Text 52
One who chants this five-word mantra easily attains His transcendental abode.
Text 53
Although fixed in His abode, the Personality of Godhead is swifter than the mind and can overcome all
others running. Even the powerful demigods cannot approach Him.
Text 54
Therefore, Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. One should meditate upon Him, glorify Him,
serve Him and worship Him. Om tat sat.
Chapter Two
Texts 1 and 2
Once, after they had passed the entire night with Him, the passionate girls of Vraja spoke to the cowherd
boy Krishna, who is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and He also spoke to them.
Commentary by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhushana:
May Lord Krishna, who is Mura's enemy, who is the Supersoul, who appeared as Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu,
and who is merciful to Gajendra and King Prataparudra, always reside in my heart.
In Mathura and Dvaraka, Krishna is a king and enjoys royal pastimes, while in Gokula He enjoys pastimes as a
cowherd boy. He remains in the highest spiritual planet, Goloka Vrndavana, enjoying these pastimes.
Text 3
The gopis said: To what brahmana should charity be given?
Text 4
Krishna said: Durvasa.
Text 5
The gopis said: How will we cross the Yamuna's waters and approach Him, from whom great blessings
will come?
Text 6
Krishna said: Say the words Krishna, the brahmacari, and the Yamuna will give you a path.
Text 7
By remembering Me a shallow person becomes deep. By remembering Me an impure person becomes
pure. By remembering Me an impious person becomes pious. By remembering Me one full of material
desires becomes desireless. By remembering Me a fool becomes learned.
Text 8
After hearing these words, they meditated on Durvasa, and with these words crossed the Yamuna. they
went to the very sacred asrama and bowed down before Durvasa Muni, the best of sages. they gave to the
brahmana delicious foods made with milk and ghee.
Text 9
Pleased, he bathed, ate, blessed them ,and gave them permission to go.
Text 10
They said: How will we cross the Yamuna?
Text 11
He said: Meditate on me as a sage that eats only durva grass, and the Yamuna will give you a path.
Text 12
Gandharvi (Srimati Radharani), the best among them, reflected for a moment.
Text 13
She said: How is Krishna a brahmacari? How is this sage a person that eats only durva grass?
Text 14
Accepting Her as their leader, the other girls became silent.
Text 15
Durvasa Muni replied: Sound is contained within the element of ether, although sound and ether are
different. Sound is contained within ether. This ether does not know. I am spirit. How can I be a
materialistic enjoyer.
Text 16
Touch is contained within the element of air, although touch and air are different. Touch is contained
within air. This air does not know. I am spirit. How can I be a materialistic enjoyer?
Text 17
Form is contained within the element of fire, although form and fire are different. Form is contained
within fire. This fire does not know. I am spirit. How can I be a materialistic enjoyer?
Text 18
Taste is contained within the element of water, although taste and waste are different. Taste is contained
within water. This water does not know. I am spirit. How can I be a materialistic enjoyer?
Text 19
Aroma is contained within the element of earth, although aroma and earth are different. Aroma is
contained within earth. This earth does not know. I am spirit. How can I be a materialistic enjoyer?
Text 20
It is the mind that remains among the senses and accepts them.
Text 21
When spirit is everything how does one think? Where does one go? I am spirit, how can I be a
materialistic enjoyer?
Text 22
Your beloved Krishna is the original creator of the two kinds of bodies.
Commentary by Srila Vishvanatha Chakravarti:
The two kinds of bodies are the gross (physical) and subtle (mental) bodies.
Text 23
On the tree of the body are two birds. One is an expansion of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He is a
witness. The other is an enjoyer. They are an enjoyer and a non-enjoyer. The first enjoys, and the second
is Krishna.
Text 24
In Him we do not find material so-called knowledge and ignorance. This ignorance and real knowledge
are different. How can Krishna, who is full of real knowledge, become a materialistic enjoyer?
Texts 25 and 26
He who lusts after pleasure is lusty. He who does not lust after pleasures is not lusty.
Text 27
Krishna, who is free from birth and death, who is unchanging, who cannot be cut, who stays by the
Yamuna, who stays among the surabhi cows, who protects the surabhi cows, who stays among the
cowherd boys, who stays in all the Vedas, who is glorified by all the Vedas, who has entered all living
entities, and who controls all living entities, is your husband.
Text 28
Gandharvi (Radha) said: Why has the Supreme Personality of Godhead taken birth among us as a
cowherd boy? O sage, how do you know this about Krishna? What is His mantra? What is His abode?
Why has He taken birth in Devaki's womb? Who is His elder brother Balarama? How is He worshipped?
Why has the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is far above the world of matter, descended to this
Earth?
Commentary by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhushana:
The word Devaki here may also be interpreted to mean Yasoda. This is described in the Adi Purana:
"Nanda's wife has two names: Yasoda and Devaki."
Sri Sukadeva Gosvami describes Lord Krishna's birth in the following words (Bhagavatam 10.3.8):
"Then the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Visnu, who is situated in the core of everyone's heart, appeared in
the heart of Devaki in the dense darkness of night, like the full moon rising on the eastern horizon, because
Devaki was of the same category as Sri Krishna."
Text 29
He said: In the beginning only Lord Narayana existed. In Him the material worlds are woven as thread on
a loom. From His lotus heart the demigod Brahma was born.
Text 30
When Brahma performed severe austerities, Lord Narayana granted him a boon.
Text 31
Brahma chose a question.
Text 32
Lord Narayana granted his request.
Text 33 and 34
Brahma said: Among Your many incarnations, which is the best, the one that makes humans and
demigods happy, the one that, remembering Him, they become liberated from repeated birth and death?
Why is this incarnation the best?
Text 35
Lord Narayana said:
Text 36
As on the summit of Mount Meru are seven cities that fulfil all desires, so on the Earth are seven cities
that fulfil desires and grant liberation. Among them the city of Gopala Puri is directly the spiritual world.
Commentary by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhushana:
The word niskama here means liberation.
Text 37
In this city the desires of the demigods and all other creatures are all fulfilled and everyone attains
liberation.
Text 38
Protected by My cakra, this city if Mathura, or Gopala Puri, stands in this world as a lotus stands in a
lake.
Text 39
Gopala Puri contains these forests: 1. the great forest of Brhadvana, 2. Madhuvana, the former residence
of the Madhu demon, 3. Talavana, full of palm trees, 4. delightful Kamyavana, 5. great Bahulavana, 6.
Kumudavana, full of lotus flowers and water lilies, 7. Khadiravana, full of Khadira trees, 8. Bhadravana,
the favourite spot of Lord Balarama, 9. Bhandiravana, the great forest of Banyan trees, 10. Srivana, the
abode of the goddess of fortune, 11. Lohavana, the former residence of the demon Loha, and 12.
Vrndavana, ruled by the goddess Vrnda-devi.
Commentary by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhushana:
The word bhadra here means "the place where Balabhadra (Balarama) enjoys pastimes."
Text 40
In these forests the demigods, human beings, Gandharvas, Nagas, and Kinnaras sing and dance.
Text 41
The twelve Adityas, eleven Rudras, eight Vasus, seven sages, Brahma, Narada, five Vinayakas, Viresvara,
Rudresvara, Ambikesvara, Ganesvara, Nilakanthesvara, Visvesvara, Gopalesvara, Bhadresvara, and 24
other lingas reside there.
Text 42
These forests are divided into two groups: 1. Krishnavana, or Krishna's forests, and 2. Bhadravana, or
Balarama's forests. Among these twelve forests some are sacred and others are most sacred.
Commentary by Srila Vishvanatha Chakravarti:
Krsna's forests are: 1. Brhadvana 2. Madhuvana 3. Talavana 4. Kamyavana 5. Bahulavana 6. Kumudavana 7.
Khadiravana and 8. Vrndavana. Balarama's forests are 1. Bhadravana 2. Bhandiravana 3. Srivana, and 4.
Lauhavana.
Commentary by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhushana:
Krishna forests are the eight forests beginning with Vrndavana. Balarama's forests are 1. Bhadravana, 2. Srivana,
3. Lauhavana, and 4. Bhradvana.
Text 43
There the demigods stay. there the perfect beings attained perfection.
Commentary by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhushana:
In this connection the Gautamiya Tantra explains:
"In subtle forms the demigods and great sages reside in Vrndavana."
Text 44
In this place are a Deity of Rama, a Deity of Pradyumna, a Deity of Aniruddha, and a Deity of Krishna.
Text 45
In this way there are twelve Deities in the forests of Mathura.
Text 46
The Rudras worship the first Deity, Brahma worships the second, Brahma's sons worship the third, The
Maruts worship the fourth, the Vinayakas worship the fifth, the Vasus worship the sixth, the sages
worship the seventh, the Gandharvas worship the eighth, the Apsaras worship the ninth, the tenth Deity is
now invisible, the eleventh Deity has gone to His own planet, and the twelfth Deity is now on the Earth.
Text 47
They who worship this Deity surpass death and attain liberation. They cross beyond the three-fold
miseries of birth, old-age and death.
Text 48
There are these verses: Lord Krishna, accompanied by His three potencies, and by Balarama, Aniruddha,
Pradyumna, and Rukmini, stays in delightful Mathura Puri, which is worshipped by Brahma and the
other demigods and protected by the conch, cakra, club, and sarnga bow.
Text 48 (b)
These four names are identical with the name Om.
Commentary by Srila Vishvanatha Chakravarti:
The names Balarama, Pradyumna, Aniruddha, and Krishna are identical with the name Om.
Text 49
One should think: I am spiritual, beyond material passion. One should think: I am Lord Gopaka's. In this
way one attains liberation. He realizes his spiritual nature. He becomes a knower of spirit.
Commentary by Srila Vishvanatha Chakravarti:
As a ray of sunlight is, in one sense, identical with the sun, in the same way, the individual living entity is, in one
sense, identical with Lord Gopala.
Text 50
Because since the beginning of creation He lovingly protects (alati) the conditioned souls (gopa), He is
known as Gopala. Om tat sat. I am a spirit. I am a part-and-parcel of Krishna. My spiritual form is
eternally full of bliss. Om.
Text 51
The Supreme Personality of Godhead is therefore known as Gopala.
Text 52
With all one's heart one should think: I am Gopala's.
Text 53
Lord Gopala is unmanifest, limitless, and eternal.
Text 54
Lord Narayana continued: O Brahma, decorated with a forest-flower garland, and holding a conch, disk,
mace and lotus, I will reside eternally in Mathura.
Text 55
O Brahma, he who with all his heart meditates on Me, whose form is the resting place of all forms, whose
form is supremely powerful and splendid, whose form is wonderful, and who has no material form, goes to
MY abode. Of this there is no doubt.
Commentary by Srila Vishvanatha Chakravarti:
The word visva-rupam here means "He in whom are all forms." Some texts give the word here as cit-svarupam,
or "he whose form is spiritual." The word param-jyotih means "powerful" or "splendid." The word svarupam
means "He whose form is extraordinary." The word rupa-varjitam means "He who has no material form." The
word mat-padam means "My abode."
Text 56
O Brahma, a resident of this earth planet who remains in the district of Mathura and worships Me as I
appear in the form of the Deity, becomes very dear to Me.
Text 57
You should always worship Me as Krishna in Mathura.
Text 58
Four kinds of men worship Me.
Commentary by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhushana:
These four kinds of devotees are described by the Lord Himself in the Bhagavad-gita (7.16):
"Those who are distressed, inquisitive, wise and those in need of money, engage in My devotional service."
Commentary by Srila Vishvanatha Chakravarti:
The four kinds of worshippers describe here are the devotees of Lord читайте правила - пункт 2.8, Lord Sankarsana, Lord
Pradyumna, and Lord Aniruddha.
Text 59
Following the devotional process prescribed for the age, intelligent devotees in this world worship Lord
Gopala, who is accompanied by His elder brother Balarama and queen Rukmini.
Text 60
I am unborn, eternal Gopala. I am eternal Pradyumna. I am Rama. I am Aniruddha. He who is intelligent
worships Me.
Text 61
Free from all impure desires, the residents of Krishnavana and Bhadravana worship Me, following the
regulations of bhakti I Myself have spoken.
Text 62
Even they who formerly rejected the principles of religion and were swallowed up by the age of Kali, may
become devoted to Me, and also reside in Mathura.
Text 63
Anyone who becomes My sincere devotee becomes very dear to Me. As dear as You and Your sons are, as
dear as Shiva and hid associates, as dear as the goddess of fortune, Laksmi.
Text 64
Brahma said: How has the one Supreme Personality of Godhead become four Deities? How has the single
sacred syllable om become many?
Text 65
The Lord said to him: Before the material world was manifest, only the Supreme Personality of Godhead,
who is one without a second, existed. From Him came the impersonal Brahman. From that came the
syllable om. From om came the mahat-tattva. From the mahat-tattva came false-ego. From false-ego came
the five tanmatras. From them came the elements. Om is covered by these things.
Text 66
I am the sacred syllable. I am om. I am ageless, deathless, nectarean, the fearless Supreme Great. I am
liberated. I am unchanging.
Text 67
The eternal Supreme Personality of Godhead manifested Himself as the all-pervading universal form. In
the same way the Lord, who is one without a second, by His transcendental potency expanded Himself
into four.
Commentary by Srila Vishvanatha Chakravarti:
That the Lord is the master of transcendental potencies is described in the sastras:
"The sages declare that eternal Lord Vishnu is the master of all transcendental potencies."
Text 68
The sacred syllable om consists of three letters: a, u and m. Balarama, the son of Rohini, is the letter a.
Splendid Pradyumna is the letter u.
Text 69
Intelligent Aniruddha is letter m. Lord Krishna, in whom the entire universe rests, is the ardha-matra
letter (m), which completes the syllable om.
Text 70
Rukmini is Lord Krishna's wife. She is the creator of the worlds and the root of material nature.
Text 71(a)
The Vedic literatures explain that the goddess of fortune appeared among the women of Vraja.
Commentary by Srila Vishvanatha Chakravarti:
The following statement is found in the Skanda Purana, Matsya Purana, and other sastras.
"Rukmini is the Lord's consort in Dvaraka and Radha is His consort in Vrndavana." The Rk-parisista explains:
"Lord Madhava always stays by Radha's side. Radha always stays by Madhava's side."
Text 71 (b)
Learned transcendentalists say that the Lord's potency is the syllable om.
Text 72
Therefore, all-pervading Lord Gopala is the syllable om.
Text 73
Learned transcendentalists declare that the syllable om is not different from the sacred syllable klim.
Text 74
He whom meditates on Me as I appear in Mathura attains liberation.
Texts 75-78
In his mind one should meditate on Me standing on the blossomed eight-petaled lotus of the heart, My two
feet marked with conchshell, flag and umbrella, MY chest marked with srivatsa and splendid with the
kautabha gem, My four arms holding the conch, cakra, mace, and sarnga bow, My arms decorated with
armlets. MY neck splendid with a flower garland, My head circled by a splendid crown, My ears
decorated with glistening shark-shaped earrings, MY form splendid and handsome, holding a flute and
buffalo-horn bugle, and granting fearlessness to the devotees.
Text 79
When the entire universe is churned (mathyate) by the churning-rod of spiritual knowledge, the butter
produced is the Supreme Personality of Godhead in Mathura. That is why it is called Mathura.
Text 80
In my heart I meditate on the material world with its eight dik-palas (protectors of the directions) as a
blossomed lotus flower growing in the ocean of repeated birth and death.
Text 81
The sun and moon are the splendour of My body. Golden Mount Meru is My splendid flag. Brahmaloka
as My umbrella. The seven lower planetary systems are My feet.
Text 82
I am marked with srivatsa and svarupa. Therefore the learned sages call me Srivatsa-lanchana (marked
with srivatsa).
Text 83
Aware of My supremacy, the sages declare that the splendour of the sun, moon, fire, and eloquent speech
has come from My glittering Kaustubha jewel.
Text 84
The four arms of My universal form are goodness, passion, ignorance, and false-ego. The five material
elements are the conchshell I carry in the hand that is the mode of passion.
Text 85
Childishness is said to be the cakra, the original illusory potency the Sarnga bow, and the universe the
lotus flower in the hand of the universal form.
Text 86
The origin of ignorance is known as the club I always carry in My hand.
Text 87
Religion, economic development, and sense-gratification are the splendid bracelets that eternally decorate
the wrists of My universal form.
Text 88
The neck, said to be the qualityless Brahman, is garlanded by the first unborn. O Brahma, your mindborn
sons have elaborately described this garland.
Commentary by Srila Vishvanatha Chakravarti:
The word "nirguna" here refers to Brahman. The "first unborn" here is the maya potency, splendid with
knowledge and ignorance. The mind-born sons are the four Kumaras.
Text 89
The sages say that My eternal form is the crown.
Text 90
The two things above the changing material world are My two glittering earrings.
Commentary by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhushana:
The two things are the spiritual paths of sankhya and yoga. This is confirmed in Srimad-Bhagavatam:
"Sankhya and yoga are the two shark-shaped earrings worn by the Supreme Person."
Text 91
He who meditates in this way is eternally dear to me. He attains liberation. He becomes liberated. I give
Myself to him.
Commentary by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhushana:
This is confirmed in the Sruti-sastra:
"The devotees of the Lord become liberated from the grip of the illusory potency."
Text 92
O Brahma, I have said all that will be about My two forms: one made of the modes of nature, and the
other beyond the modes of nature.
Commentary by Srila Vishvanatha Chakravarti:
The form made of the modes of material nature is the universal form, and the form beyond the modes of material
nature is the auspicious transcendental form.
Commentary by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhushana:
The form beyond the modes of material nature here is the Lord's two-armed and four-armed forms.
Text 93
Brahma said: What are the ornaments worn by the Deities You have described? How do the Maruts,
Rudras, Brahma, sons of Brahma, Vinayakas, twelve Adityas, Vasus, Apsaras, and Gandharvas worship
them? Who is the Deity that has gone to His own abode? Who is the Deity now invisible? Who is the Deity
the humans worship?
Text 94
Lord Narayana said to him: these twelve unmanifested transcendental Deities are present on all planets,
among all demigods and all human beings.
Commentary by Srila Vishvanatha Chakravarti:
The word unmanifested here means unmanifested to material eyes.
Text 95
As a Rudra among the rudras, as a Brahma among the followers of Brahma, as a demigod among the
demigods, as a human being among the humans, as the destroyer of obstacles (Ganesa) among the
Vinayakas, as Surya Narayana among the Adityas, as a Gandharva among the Gandharvas, as an Apsara
among the Apsaras, and as a Vasu among the Vasus, My form, which fulfils desires, is present even when
it is invisible. Whether visible or invisible in this world, My form is always stays in My own abode.
Commentary by Srila Baladeva Vidyabhushana:
When the Lord is invisible He is present in the form of hearing about Him.
The Lord's abode is Vrndavana, which the Lord Himself describes in the Gautamiya Tantra:
This is beautiful Vrndavana, My transcendental abode. Its size is five yojanas. Its forest is my own form.
The Yamuna River, where currents of nectar flow, also bears the name Susumna. In this place the demigods and
sages always stay in subtle forms.
I, who am the master of all the demigods, never leave this forest. yuga after yuga, I am sometimes visible and
sometimes invisible here.
Them My splendid, handsome form cannot be seen by material eyes.
Text 96
My form is also present as the Deity of ignorance, the Deity of passion, and the Deity of Goodness.
Text 97
My humanlike form, which is eternal and full of transcendental knowledge, is present in devotional
service.
Text 98
Om. Obeisances to the Supersoul, who is present in the life-breath. Om tat sat. Bhu Bhuvah and Svah.
Obeisances, obeisances to Him, the Supersoul, who is present in the life-breath.
Commentary by Srila Vishvanatha Chakravarti:
Here is the answer to the question "How should the Lord be worshipped?" Here the Lord reveals mantras to be
used in His worship.
Text 99
Obeisances to Sri Krishna, who is Govinda and Gopijanavallabha, Om tat sat. Bhur Bhuvah and Svah.
Obeisances, obeisances to Him.
Text 100
Om. Obeisances to the Supersoul, who is present in the apana air. Om tat sat. Bhur Bhuvah and Svah.
Obeisances, obeisances to Him, present in the apana air.
Text 101
Om. Obeisances to Krishna, who is читайте правила - пункт 2.8, Sankarsana, Pradyumna, and Aniruddha. Om tat sat. Bhur
Bhuvah and Svah. Obeisances, obeisances to Him.
Text 102
Om. Obeisances to the Supersoul, who is present in the sama air. Om tat sat. Bhur Bhuvah and Svah.
Obeisances, obeisances to Him, present in the same air.
Text 103
Om. Obeisances to Sri Krishna, who is Sri Rama. Om tat sat. Bhur Bhuvah and Svah. Obeisances,
obeisances to Him.
Text 104
Om. Obeisances to the Supersoul, who is present in the udana air. Om tat sat. Bhur Bhuvah and Svah.
Obeisances, obeisances to Him, present in the udana air.
Text 105
Om. Obeisances to Krishna, the son of Devaki. Om tat sat. Bhur Bhuvah and Svah. Obeisances,
obeisances to Him.
Text 106
Om. Obeisances to the Supersoul, who is present in the vyana air. Om tat sat. Bhur Bhuvah and Svah.
Obeisances, obeisances to Him, present in the vyana air.
Text 107
Om. Obeisances to the Supreme Personality of Godhead, whose original form is that of a cowherd boy.
Om tat sat. Bhur Bhuvah and Svah. Obeisances, obeisances to Him.
Text 108
Om. Lord Gopala is the Supersoul, present in the primordial material energy. Om tat sat. Bhur Bhuvah
and Svah. Obeisances, obeisances to Him.
Text 109
Om. Lord Gopala is the Supersoul, present in the senses. Om tat sat. Bhur Bhuvah and Svah. Obeisances,
obeisances to Him.
Text 110
Om. Lord Gopala is the Supersoul, present in the material elements. Om tat sat. Bhur Bhuvah and Svah.
Obeisances, obeisances to Him.
Text 111
Om. Lord Gopala is the Supreme Person. Om tat sat. Bhur Bhuvah and Svah. Obeisances, obeisances to
Him.
Commentary by Srila Vishvanatha Chakravarti:
That Krishna is the Supreme Person is confirmed by the Lord Himself in Bhagavad-gita (15.17):
"Besides these two there is the greatest living personality, the Lord Himself, who has entered into these worlds
and is maintaining them."
Text 112
Om. Lord Gopala is the Supreme Brahman. Om tat sat. Bhur Bhuvah and Svah. Obeisances, obeisances
to Him.
Commentary by Srila Vishvanatha Chakravarti:
This statement is confirmed by the Lord Himself in the Bhagavad-gita (14.27):
"I am the basis of the impersonal Brahman."
Text 113
Om. Lord Gopala is the Supersoul in the heart of all beings. Om tat sat. Bhur Bhuvah and Svah.
Obeisances, obeisances to Him.
Text 114
Om. Surpassing wakefulness, sleep, and deep sleep, Lord Gopala is beyond the transcendence of the
impersonalists. Om tat sat. Bhur Bhuvah and Svah. Obeisances, obeisances to Him.
Text 115
The one Supreme Personality of Godhead is hidden within everything. He is all-pervading. He is in
everyone's heart. He witnesses everyone's activities, He lives in everyone's heart. He is the witness. He is
consciousness. His is transcendence. He is beyond the modes of nature.
Text 116
Obeisances to Rudra. Obeisances to Aditya. Obeisances to Vinayaka. Obeisances to Surya. Obeisances to
Vidya-devi. Obeisances to Indra. Obeisances to Agni. Obeisances to Yama. Obeisances to Nirrti.
Obeisances to Varuna. Obeisances to Vayu. Obeisances to Kubera. Obeisances to Isana. Obeisances to
Brahma. Obeisances to all the demigods.
Commentary by Srila Vishvanatha Chakravarti:
The demigods are offered respect because they are representatives of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
Text 117
After giving these most pious prayers to Brahma, who was rapt in meditation on the Lord's
transcendental form, and after giving him the ability to create the universe, Lord Narayana disappeared.
Text 118
As these instructions were heard from Brahma, Brahmaʹs sons, and Narada, so I have spoken them.
O Gandharvi (Radha), now You may go to Your own home.
Ещё недавно издал Гопала Тапани Упанишаду БВ Трипурари Свами со своими комментариями. Книга публикуется частями, но ещё полностью не опубликована здесь http://harmonist.us/2010/01/gopala-tapani-upanisad-introduction/ Он использует перевод Джагананда Даса. Ещё вроде бы кто то в ISKCON переводил и издавал эту Упанишаду, как бы не Маханидхи Свами - не уверен. Таким образом в полном объёме нам доступен перевод Кушакрата Даса. Текст небольшой, при числе участников в 10 это получается где то по 17 шлок на брата - очень немного.

Ну так что? Давайте обсудим, нужно ли это, возможно ли это, готовы ли мы к тому?
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post 22-Окт-2010 12:00 (спустя 16 часов)

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о хорошем:
я перевожу лекции Аиндры даса сейчас, понемногу но процесс идёт. перевод книг дело хорошее...

о плохом
сразу три момента:
1) перевод будет корявый и сырОЙ, так как нетолько многие из нас плохие переводчики (по международным меркам),
2) но и перевод одной книги на 10 человек получится уж очень не синхронный - тут одна интонация, там другая - ведь все понимают немного по разному, и переведут тобиш по разному
3) такой наш школьный перевод - он будет доступен тока на трекере и может еше в паре мест. В тираж он не пойдёт, посему немного народу он будет доступен в принципе.

возможные решения
Нужно чтобы по крайней мере каждый переводил свою книгу, иначе будет у нас не книга а... ну вообшем как в Библии, когда они строили башню до небес но не говорили на одном языке, потому всё провалилось. У каждого свой стиль, каждый отмечает свои моменты, передаёт свою суть.

ПС если уж мы так заобтимся об качестве перевода, и сетуем на то что (ну я посетовал бы, еше кто-то) переводы некоторых книг не качественны, иногда более-чем в грамматике и орфографии (суть не правильно передают), к тому же еше и редакции книг меняются.. полагаю что если мы начнём стряпать переводы на русский книг госвами (даже с инглиша), это будет как в мультике - сам испёк, сам и кушай - пирожОК у нас получится обгорелый.
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post 22-Окт-2010 13:14 (спустя 1 час 14 минут)

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Я не слишком хорошо владею английским, не очень много переводил с английского, так что я не профессионал никак, но для меня есть одно жёсткое правило - никаких интонаций кроме авторских, никаких смыслов кроме авторских. Искусство переводчика собственно это актёрское мастерство, искусство перевоплощения. Нужно стать автором просто говорящим(пишущем) на другом языке. Я не знаю какие критерии у профессионалов, но вконце концов это не поэзия, да и англоязычные вайшнавы достаточно косноязычны, не блещут талантами. Я могу перевести например Гопала Тапани Упанишад, но мне бы хотелось что бы это было проверено, отредактировано, я не доверяю себе.

Насчёт техники Проекта, то можно например создавать живые журналы(Live Journal) посвящённые тому или иному тексту. Главное что бы были желающие трудится. Похоже вайшнавизм при всей своей организованнасти не слишком то и преуспевает. Имея такие человеческие ресурсы и материальные давно можно было бы перевести и всего Прабхупаду, и всю классику.

Можно сделать и так, один человек переводит, остальные правят, редактируют...
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post 22-Окт-2010 16:27 (спустя 3 часа)

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идея супер... но как всегда.. скажу честно, мне есть чем заняться, еле хватает времени лекции Аиндры переводить. ишите единомышленников.
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post 22-Окт-2010 16:58 (спустя 30 минут)

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Прабху, я просил Директора приклеить эту тему, но он не только мне долго на личные сообщения не отвечает... Может вы приклеите? Что бы обсудить и тем более что то предпринять тема должна быть на виду. Пожалуйста.
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post 22-Окт-2010 18:16 (спустя 1 час 18 минут)

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Прикрепим. Перевод Брихад Бхагаватамриты на русский уже есть, только подредактировать нужно.
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post 22-Окт-2010 19:12 (спустя 55 минут)

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Вы сами это сделаете? Или вы склонны к тому что бы реализовать идею этого проекта?

ЗЫ: Возможно есть смысл вынести проект за пределы Голоки и предложить учавствовать людям и на Харикатхе и на Кришна-ру. Видимо технически проще всего создавать блог(журнал) посвящённый переводу того или иного текста, или вообщее сообщество, хотя вполне можно работать и на этой площадке.
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John

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post 22-Окт-2010 19:20 (спустя 7 минут)

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не сойдёмся к сожалениыю с людми с кришна.ру (с хари катхой может быть) - просто у нас будут разные интонации перевода, разный смысл заложен

прабху, занимайтесь, держите нас в курсе дела, а единомышленники постепенно найдутся - если хочесь что то сделать, то хотябы начни сам, а тма посмотрим.
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mezhuev

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post 22-Окт-2010 19:52 (спустя 32 минуты)

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Да у меня осенняя депрессия, я могу взять обязательства, начать делать, но доведу ли до конца? Вообще здоровье ни к чёрту в последнее время. Видимо я начну переводить Гопала Тапани Упанишаду и публиковать его в отдельной теме с просьбами комментировать, подсказывать, исправлять.

Ту у меня одна проблема, перевод Маханидхи Свами 2004 года упомянут в сети, но например его нет в продаже на сайте Маханидхи Свами - нет такой книги. Тот перевод с комментариями БВ Трипурари Госвами публикуется без санскрита и подстрочника которые есть в книге, да и опубликована пока лишь половина книги. Последнее поправимо, видимо пока я буду переводить они опубликуют всё.

Возможно есть смысл приобрести книгу. Сколько может стоить пересылка из Америки?
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John

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post 22-Окт-2010 19:56 (спустя 3 минуты)

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mezhuev писал(а):

Сколько может стоить пересылка из Америки?
20 долларов плюс стоимость книги.

mezhuev писал(а):

осенняя депрессия
просто начните, это лучше чем совсме не начинать. я вам буду помогать как время позволит
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Традиционно, разные школы базируются на двух фундаментальных вопросах: 1) что есть мир, и 2) что\кто есть Я, иными словами чем есть всё то, что воспринимается, и кем есть тот, кто всё это воспринимает. Казалось бы уже у каждого есть ответы на данные вопросы, и потому они более не задаются. Йога базируется на том, что положенные в основу жизнедеятельности (жизни\бытия + деятельности) неверные ответы, на упомянутые выше вопросы, приводят к страданиям, впрочем верно и обратное – утвердившись в истине, достигается состояние противоположное страданиям (порой именуемое противоположным берегом сансары). ). С точки зрения теории - всё достаточно легко, а с точки зрения практики - не всё так просто (ответы, и всё что базировалось на них, повторялось длительное время, и как следствие обладают устойчивой тенденцией к дальнейшему повторению, которое ведет к дальнейшему страданию - теория не прекращает повторения всего того, что повторялось, но указывает на то, что должно прекратить повторяться. В свою очередь, администрация желает вам успехов в практике, которой мало кому хочется заниматься, в результате чего достигается только состояние 1) я знал как должно, 2) но делал как обычно, и 3) получил результат именно из второго пункта, искренне рассчитывая на результат из первого пункта :)

Великие изречения ведических писаний, которые указывают на суть:

1. Прагьянам брахма — «сознание есть Брахман» («Айтарея-упанишада» 3.3 «Ригведы»)
2. Аям атма брахма — «атман есть Брахман» («Мандукья-упанишад» 1.2 «Атхарваведы»)
3. Тат твам аси — «то ты еси» («Чхандогья-упанишада» 6.8.7 «Самаведы»)
4. Ахам брахмасми — «Я есмь Брахман» («Брихадараньяка-упанишада» 1.4.10 «Яджурведы»)